But the good news was worth it. The Grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, but not all men will put their faith in him. Jews, who seem chiefly designed, here; it was first preached to He’s referring to all who believe and recieve His gift. I have been wrestling with this for sometime. If an earthly father knows how to give good gifts to his children how much more your Father in Heaven? 1 Peter 4:17 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Peter 4:17, NIV: "For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" The whole message of the Bible reveals salvation dependent on repentance and faith. I find nothing in life or the Bible that supports this and much evidence to support the contrary notion that we go astray or are led astray. 4 1 “For indeed the day 2 is coming, burning like a furnace, and all the arrogant evildoers will be chaff. Copyright Policy him, pardon from him, justification before him, and acceptance Did He mean it literally or was it symbolic. It is man’s responsibility to walk in that righteousness, common sense would tell anybody that when one disobeys he loses his righteousness unless he repents remorsefully and get connected again to the living God. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. We’ve been SAVED!!! It’s free! From what I learn from you many people are being liberated here from the bondage of sin every single day. Paul you do a great job that is very encouraging for me to shift into total grace! I always consult e2r when it comes to difficult scriptures. resemble these, and serve to illustrate them. But you’ve still got to get up an walk out. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith (Eph 2:8). “Because God loves you he’s going to give you a whipping. The First of Peter. You also need to do some pretty good gymnastics with certain scriptures to make them “fit” with this view.” like the belief in eternal damnation is far from the truth. Hi Kavin, thanks for your comment. If all will be saved no matter what, then faith is irrelevant. 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect who are sojourners of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Bible in Basic English. You must choose. Either the cross is the once and final solution for sin (Heb 9:26), or it isn’t. We have been redeemed and sanctified by the blood of the Lamb. thanks to you and thanks to Christians everywhere who count me their brother. Sorry that comment above was super long; my bad. Choose. 1:14 the rest of the time in the flesh # Titus 2:12; 1 … For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? We all have the same choice. We have been forgiven. Not everyone sees Jesus as Lord; one day they will. Peter wrote during a time of great persecution. The writer of Hebrews talks about how Israel heard the gospel, but rejected it – they didn’t mix it with faith: Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. If hell is eternal, all is permanently lost. design believers in Christ, those that are of the household and Genuine beliebers and also those who profess to believe but are not… they are like Pharisees, wolves in sheeps clothes, tares, etc. The Hyper-Grace Gospel Christianity, or of the preaching of the Gospel, were times of Luke 16:19-31 clearly defines the reality of Hell. (3) Don’t let these trials cause you to be ashamed – it’s actually a blessing to be insulted on account of Christ’s name (4:14,16). This has nothing to do with one’s love or hatred for the sun – it’s just a natural reaction to the brightness of the sun. Blessed be the Go… 1Pe 4:17 ¶ For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Lou, the parable doesn’t make any distinction about gentiles or Jews. (4) In view of this, don’t run and hide (like I once did) but commit yourselves to your faithful Creator and keep doing good (4:19). I didn’t wake up one day and say “Hell sucks! 6:2, 7; Gal. If you were a follower of Christ back then, martyrdom was a real prospect. You are attempting to make an assertation based on what is not there. either us Jews, for Peter, and those he writes to, were such; or Wow. If Jesus said he would not judge even the lost (Jn 12:47), why would he judge those he has redeemed and are now reckoned perfect? Pat Hux. Contrary to popular mythology, knowing all sin has been paid for does not encourage people to go and see how deeply into sin they can jump. By question is how do you read it in the light of grace since Gal 3:13 says ” Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law…. It is in the queue to be published probably next week. “Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.” -Romans 5:18. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica. Eternal judgment? However, let’s first read the scripture in context: Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. world to come, which will have no end: and if [it] first begin at us; ”. Nobody is disregarding the root word. Look at how Peter describes this judgment: v.12: “the fiery suffering among you that is coming to try you” Israel hath not obtained that which he seeks for … God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, ears that they should not hear; unto this day.” Romans 11:8, “But ‘Have they stumbled that they should fall? It is impossible for your eye to make you stumble. All rights reserved worldwide. You’re right it isn’t part of the Gospel. If Judgment fell on Christ for everyone than how can folks still be lost in the end? Nevertheless, when it is published I desire to have the book together with others like THE GOSPEL IN TWENTY QUESTIONS etc. The key to understanding 1 Peter 4:17 is the word judgment. Oh, one more thing: I don’t believe we are condemned for Adam’s sins or our own. Anyhow, all this talk of universal salvation is way off the current topic (1 Pet 4:17). Finally, if the punishment that brought us peace was placed on Christ (Is 53:5), how can God now punish us? 6:14; 14:7; 2 Cor. 2 But for you who respect my name, the sun of vindication 4 will rise with healing wings, 5 and you will skip … be confirmed by signs and wonders, so that it should be tried and afflictions; and which are in love to them, and therefore are Above each Greek word there is a transliteration which helps people to pronounce the word, and linked to each transliterated word there is a page which gives a list of other places where the same word is used in the bible, together with translations from NAS, KJV, and the Interlinear Bible. They will use words like purification and discipline but what they really mean is condemnation and wrath. But God’s gifts are greater, right? The verse does not say that the first verdict of God shall strike His own house, the Church, and after that, a second verdict shall strike the wicked in the world. There is none of this Jesus died for only some kinds of sin. See 2 Peter 1:11 — Ed. Yet use that same question to ask why did God even create us to begin with knowing full well the utter misery that would come and in the end BILLIONS in eternal torment!? If someone gives you a gift for your birthday, you have to receive it to make it your own – or like the universalist, you can leave the person standing knocking at the door with the gift in his hand without actually taking it from him, but think he will someday hunt you down and force you to take it . I write this as I would write to a friend talking about deep and heavy matters. Is it that the writer is talking about unbelievers? They left and took us with them. In the rush of the past few years I felt I was still dealing with this beast. All men are saved through Christ and Christ alone. All I’m saying is if what you say is true than Adam and Satan did a greater work than Christ. Lou, you say hell is an uncertain place and that the parable doesn’t prove eternity. There’s no way around it. But the way you put it sounds right. It has encouraged me so much. If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. On the one hand the universalist believes that ALL will be saved, regardless of what they believe or whether they even believe at all. Hey Paul, another great post! I’ve seen it and it doesn’t glorify God at all. Absolutely! What News is that? Yes. I’ve been dodging this question for years, not because I’m unsure, but because I don’t want to start a flame war. Great article! You can find an article on that scripture in the Archives>Scripture Index. Oddly God never mentioned an everlasting torment when he kicked Adam out of the Garden. her; all his people's times are in his hand, as of comfort, so of “If it is with difficulty the righteous are saved….” I don’t understand how or why we believers (the righteous) are saved with difficulty. If a Christian could do whatever he wanted we would not be constantly told in the Bible to stay away from all the Earthly things. Of the two possible errors, the one you risk is infinitely riskier. He is the one who will soon judge everyone—those who are still living and those who have died. I notice you don’t have any comments on Hebrews 13:4 in your scripture archive, and wondered which conclusion you come to about this verse? For the time is come that judgment must begin at the I admit my thinking was this refers to judgment in terms of condemnation and damnation, etc. A Living Hope this is a bit confusing. If you are a sheep it is a day to look forward to with confidence. Roger Hahn. v.13: “you participate in the sufferings of Christ” That’s quite an oversight! Jesus did say the sheep put their faith in me. 1 Peter 5:8 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Peter 5:8, NIV: "Be alert and of sober mind.Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." Don’t Take Verses Out of Context (1 Peter 4:17, Matthew 7:1-2) Perhaps you have seen already that 1 Peter 4:17 is a verse, which is lodged in between a passage speaking about suffering. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News? 1 Peter 4:1 Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, (NASB: Lockman) Greek: Christou oun pathontos sarki kai humeis ten auten ennoian ho plisasthe ( 2PAMM) hoti o pathon sarki pepautai hamartias, We don’t get many universalists commenting here so, first off, welcome and thanks for writing. Why would we need to be in our mortal bodies in order for God to pursue us or for us to respond to His love, to Christ? Must have been quite a shock to most everyone there except the Lord of course. The Gospel in Twenty Questions He will simply separate those who have found their rest in him from those who refuse him. ___________. Christ won and Satan, sin and death lost. Regardless, Peter said its Gods will that no one perish but change thier mind (non Christians) look away from themselves and believe (1 Pet 4:17 AMP, 2 Pet 3:9, Acts 18:30-31). It refers to a rich man and a beggar, that’ it. The universalist view negates any faith response from a believer and rejects any form of responsibility. the meaning is, that God’s judgment would be dreadful against the ungodly, since the way to salvation was so thorny and difficult to the elect. Would he not be unjust if he punished twice for the same offence. So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good. Better to suffer “according to God’s will” (v.19) meaning on account of the gospel, than to suffer the far greater consequences of rejecting the life that Christ offers. A reader asked me about this several weeks ago and I have now have post on this very topic primed to go. But God will not do again what He has already done at the cross. The door is now open, the curtain torn, and the way is clear. Whosoever wants to drink of jesus ( the many) , will be saved but whosoever wants to follow in Adams steps ( the many) he can do that too. Peter said “Christ died for sins once for all” (1 Pet 3:18). them partakers of his holiness: besides, wicked men are often “What then? Hi Paul, I’m so glad you posted this article….thank you! It is that His sheep help where help is needed not just where they think it is justified and they do so because of the effect of grace on them.The wording implies that the goats consider these people the least showing again that they do not exhibit Grace. God said children won’t pay for the fathers sins. Interpret 1 Peter 4:17 through the lens of works and you will end up with a condemning message. ‘Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles [like Lazarus-Eleazar]; how much more their fullness’ (verse 12).”. Grace and peace. and stead of his church and people, and therefore in justice Can’t that happen after we are no longer in our earthsuit? There is a day coming when Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats, but this is only bad news if you’re a goat. Strip away the jargon and their message is: “Bad things are going to happen to you. Gospel, as it makes it the more valuable in itself, so it is to Not at all. On the other hand they believe that IF faith is required in order to be saved, then God will give us that faith, no… force that faith onto us. 1 He exhorteth them to cease from sin by the example of Christ, and the consideration of the general end that now approacheth: 12 and comforteth them against persecution. Finally, a universalist by definition is one believes that all will be saved. Learn how your comment data is processed. God doesn’t send anyone to hell; we send ourselves. If God is Love also than simple Algebra tells us Love is an ever consuming fire. 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance. The duties of the elders, 1 Peter 5:2a c. us Christians, who believe in Christ, have embraced his Gospel, The other word Peter uses to describe our sufferings is "trial" (NIV, KJV) or "ordeal" (NRSV). When God gave us the freedom to choose, He knew that some would choose to reject Him and that death and eternal separation would be the result. You may be interested in my recent “Conversations about hell” and “What happens to babies who die?”. 6:13] arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for # Rom. in this world wrath came upon them to the uttermost, ruin upon How in the name of all that is sensible are we supposed to get joyful over a divine whipping? God did not force Adam and Eve to love Him; He let them choose. also suggests, that these sufferings and afflictions were but for They seem to forget that all of our sins were dealt with at the cross. and leave this house desolate, and not one stone should be left If my sins have been removed and God is now “done with sin” (1 Pet 4:1), then what is left to punish? Good Stewards of God’s Grace. This is about God being true to Himself. ( Log Out /  I argued with this topic a few weeks ago. If you take a look at my post on Thyatira, you will find links to the other churches (Ephesis, Sardis, and Laodicea) at the bottom. 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